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post objavio/la timclancy prije 7 godina 8 mjeseci na blogu Čiste namjere / Pure Intent

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Mr. Clancy, you know, with all due respect to you and this country which accepted me as her own (talking 'bout USA here), I cannot agree with you that church is separate from the state. It truly never was. One of the first lessons is American policy I got was an advice of an older Bosnian immigrant "If an American asks you do you go to church say yest because American's love church." I know, it is a stretch to say eeeevery American loves church but I'd say American's in general respect church and, moreover, believe in God (Jesus, to be exact).

Coming from my commencement ceremony (from Garden City none the less :-)) I was blessed by a Rabbi, spoken to by Chuck Schumer who blessed us even more so (God speed, God bless America, God bless your parents bla bla bla), to the president of the College who also, bless his little heart, blessed us till kingdom come.

I will believe that religion is separate from the state when America elects a president that is not a Christian. Just think of the stink the media made when Kennedy (a Pappist) was elected and more recently Obama.

Objavio/la anatomy prije 7 godina 8 mjeseci #

"We separate church and state."
a na svakoj novčanici piše "in god we trust"
a na sudu se kunete na bibliju
"We separate church and state." - how yes no ;)

Objavio/la luna w prije 7 godina 8 mjeseci #

America is, no doubt, full of double standards. Bosnia is certainly no exception to that. regardless of what it may say on coins (that's pretty important, isn't it) my point was that in school - in all the places i lived growing up - there was a clear separation between religion and learning.

Is it perfect? By no means. America did elect a papist and an Obama - and yes, some will always respond with the racism that continues to poison America. Is america more religiously conservative than in the past? In some places, yeah, sure. In some places, more liberal than ever.

My point was simple. I grew up in a system where it was clearly - by law and general concensus - separated. It worked. We all got along. And if we didn't, it had nothing to do with each others religious upbringing.

I didnt grow up in the badlands of the Dakota's people. I grew up in New York.

As for the bible thing in court...yup, God creeps into everyday life all the time. But recently the first ever senator swore himself in on the Q'uran, not the bible.

Separating religion and education doesn't mean abolishing religion altogether. It means allowing the complete freedom to do so outside of public realm.

That's why the church is so strong...and everywhere you go, there are churches. Better to have them there than in the classroom, n'est pas? for now - we've managed to keep them out. Keep your fingers crossed that'll last!

Objavio/la timclancy prije 7 godina 8 mjeseci #

moj komentar se odnosio na tvoju izjavu kako vi separate church & state
po mom mišljenju to nije tačno, nego je religija (koja god) kod vas toliko ukorijenjena u društvo da se na to i ne obraća pažnja.
što se škole tiče, ne vidim problem da ko želi imati vjeronauku da je i ima ali ako nema mogućnosti izbora ni religija niti drugog predmeta koji bi umjesto religije ulazio u prosjek, ta ocjena i ne treba ulaziti u prosjek. jedni su oštećeni jer nemaju dodatnu peticu za prosjek a drugi su oštećeni jer imaju predmet više.
vjeronauka u školi po mom mišljenju ne smeta, što vidimo po evropskim zemljama u kojima je to obavezan predmet. ali oni koji ne pohađaju te časove imaju za to vrijeme drugi obavezan čas umjesto religije i nema nikakvih problema niti neko gleda na to kao na nešto posebno, to je samo jedan od časova u školi.

Objavio/la luna w prije 7 godina 8 mjeseci #

Kamo sreće (eng.?) da nam sva briga u obrazovanju bude u vjeronauci. Drago mi je da postoji dovoljno ljudi u BiH koji shvataju da ocjena iz vjeronauke, i sama vjeronauka, nije toliko bitna. Dobro je i da imamo ministra sa "cojones" i poštenjem, u paketu. Samo je reakcija reis-ul-uleme neprimjerena... God save the queen, In God we trust, and there is a long way to obtain a civil society. I am sure, Mr. Clancy, that you know that we had also lived a life where religious and ethnic were at 7th or 10th place, when you get friends or fall in love. We were also multiethnic, and did not hate each other. This is not an American exclusive, so help us God.

Objavio/la privremena prije 7 godina 8 mjeseci #

never said anything was exclusively 'American.' My point was more that its not a 'communist' thing as many people, particularly from the religious communities themselves are accusing Minister Suljagic of.

The key difference, privremena - 'we WERE also multiethnic.' I'm not talking past tense. I'm talking about today.

I am no flag waiver - never was, never will be. But i do know that religion is school is not a good idea. That was my point.

Objavio/la timclancy prije 7 godina 8 mjeseci #

Hm, I think Tim is right. America uses Bible and some other symbols, but the truth is that church is really not so influential, to be honest. Catholic church does not approve same sex marages, or many other things that American politicians are doing.

I think that people are under that impression because of the war on terrorism and recent American politics.
But I think that they are just fighting for there best interest. They would have probably attacked Bosnia or Poland, or any other country that can`t diplomatically, military, or political compare whit American. No mather which are there beliefs. Just remember the crusader wars they were going to free Jerusalem but on their way they where plundering Constantinople. It is always a battle of interest and money, really about principals. Moral and differences are basically just an excuse to start a fight.

I think that faight is a internal thing and that faight needs to be lived not only spoken. I`m sorry abo

Objavio/la dilema88 prije 7 godina 6 mjeseci #

Ops I`m sorry about long text and bad English I kinda just needed to say that.
And other thing you can know whole Bible or Kuran but if you kill a man it`s Hell or Dzehennem for you.
And my point is that in America Rais or Pope could never be involved or influence politicians in the way they do in Bosnia. They should be making peace, but let`s all be critical and say honestly do you feel like our religious leaders are sending a message of peace.

I`m trying to start kick start tourism in Srebrenica, but the not only around 11th , but around the whole year. I traveled all around the Srebrenica and surrounding muncypalitys. I saw great nature, but we are stuck living in the past. And a lot of tourist still think that we are shooting each other and driving around in tanks.

Also I think politicians want Srebrenica to look as worse as possible cause they can milk money out the foreigners more easly if it stays like that.

Objavio/la dilema88 prije 7 godina 6 mjeseci #

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